А английская Telegraph разразилась гневной статьей, где прямо называет действия Путина преступлением и призывает Европу сплотиться для категорического отпора тирании. Посмотрим, что пишут и ее читатели в комментариях. Перевод снова мой.
Shreekanth M Prabhu • 42 minutes ago
International law is just hogwash. What law was followed to occupy Iraq? See what has happened now. Only international law is "might is right". West started interfering in Ukraine and now they have got a response. Nobody has high moral ground here. Everybody is following their own interests. It is going to be like a boxing match. You can not hurt somebody else without getting hurt yourself.
Международное право – это просто чушь. Каким правом руководствовались, оккупируя Ирак? А теперь посмотрите, что вышло. Единственное международное право – право сильного. Запад начал вмешиваться в дела Украины, и теперь получает ответ. Ни у кого здесь нет высоких моральных основ. Все преследуют собственные интересы. Будет как на матче по боксу. Нельзя нанести кому-то ущерб, не получив его самому.
Karthick • an hour ago
Putin is no saint..but..
the West (US) supports the current president of Ukraine who ousted the former democratically elected president following a coup. This is legal as per the West's definition.
Yet when Crimeans vote to secede from Ukraine and join Russia.. oh hell no.. this is illegal. bring in the sanctions and trade embargo..
pfft.. hypocrisy.
The real reason might be NATO forces just lost a crucial naval advantage over Russia in the Black Sea.
Путин не святой, однако…
Запад (США) поддерживает нынешнего президента Украины, который сверг предыдущего демократически избранного президента в ходе переворота. По определению Запада, это законно.
А когда крымчане голосуют за отделение от Украины и присоединение к России… черт побери, нет, это незаконно, вводите санкции и торговые эмбарго.
Пфф… лицемерие.
Реальная причина может быть в том, что силы НАТО только что лишились критического военного перевеса над Россией в Черном море.
Cameron Taylor • 2 hours ago
If Scotland were to vote in favor of sovereignty, would that be an illegal crime? If Quebec votes to separate from Canada, will that be a crime?
I suspect the only "crime" here is Russia gaining control of an essential oil pipeline running from the Caucuses in to Europe, and a bit more land. If Crimea voted to join Romania or even Turkey would there be all this hullabaloo?
Если бы Шотландия проголосовала на суверенитет, было бы это незаконным преступлением? А если Квебек решил отделиться от Канады?
Подозреваю, что единственным «преступлением» здесь является то, что Россия получает контроль над важным нефтепроводом с Кавказа в Европу и немного территории. Если бы Крым проголосовал за присоеднение к Румынии или даже Турции – была бы вся эта шумиха?
=^..^= • 2 hours ago
You left out the part where the West organized and financed an illegal coup.
Вы упустили ту часть истории, где Запад организовал и профинансировал незаконный переворот
Scott Sinnock • 2 hours ago
The author writes about Putin's speech, "This defiant speech". I would suggest "triumphant" as a better descriptor; he is not defying anything; he is gloating, rightfully so in the geopolitical world. He won while we blather.
Автор пишет про речь Путина: «Дерзкая речь». Я бы предложил лучший термин – «триумфальная». Он никому не дерзит, а по праву торжествует в мире геополитики. Он выиграл, пока мы болтали.
John • an hour ago
What stupid article that defies basic logic and world history. Have you ever said something to Israel for its past decades' crime?
This free voting is better than most other votings, including voting for Fukland !
Что за тупая статья, которая отрицает логику и мировую историю. Вы хоть что-нибудь сказали Израилю за его преступления в последние десятилетия?
Это свободное голосование было лучше, чем большинство других, включая голосование по Фолклендам!
Restraint • an hour ago
Too late now I think.
Sudetenland (sorry I mean Crimea) is lost. We won't fight for it, we probably won't fight for Eastern or Southern Ukraine either. Not Kazakhstan, not Moldavia, not Georgia. Probably not Estonia. Probably Poland though.
Of course every time we blink we make the price of ending this much higher.
Думаю, уже слишком поздно.
Судеты (я имею в виду Крым) потеряны. Мы не станем за них драться, как наверное не станем и за Восточную и Южную Украину. Как и за Казахстан, Молдавию или Грузию. Возможно, как и за Эстонию. Ну, может, за Польшу.
Разумеется, с каждым мгновением цена за прекращение всего этого все выше.
John • an hour ago
There is a covert struggle between Russia and USA. Both seeing an existential threat in each other. Each will do whatever it takes to gain strength and destroy another if possible. International law? Seriously? Do you think about law when your life is in danger?
Существует тайная борьба между Россией и США. Оба видят друг в друге угрозу существованию. Оба сделают что угодно, лишь бы набрать сил и уничтожить оппонента, если возможно. Международное право? Вы серьезно? Вы думаете о законах, когда жизнь в опасности?
Надо заметить, что аудитория "Телеграфа" заметно образованнее "Вашингтон Пост". Попадаются экскурсы в историю аналогичных прецедентов и их последствий. Тоже находятся мнения вида: "Эта стратегия проигрышна в долгосрочной перспективе", но снова - практически нет поддержки генеральной линии Запада и никого не волнует сама Украина (более того, регулярно мелькают упоминания о беспределе неонацистов, которые я сознательно не привожу в подборке).
Shreekanth M Prabhu • 42 minutes ago
International law is just hogwash. What law was followed to occupy Iraq? See what has happened now. Only international law is "might is right". West started interfering in Ukraine and now they have got a response. Nobody has high moral ground here. Everybody is following their own interests. It is going to be like a boxing match. You can not hurt somebody else without getting hurt yourself.
Международное право – это просто чушь. Каким правом руководствовались, оккупируя Ирак? А теперь посмотрите, что вышло. Единственное международное право – право сильного. Запад начал вмешиваться в дела Украины, и теперь получает ответ. Ни у кого здесь нет высоких моральных основ. Все преследуют собственные интересы. Будет как на матче по боксу. Нельзя нанести кому-то ущерб, не получив его самому.
Karthick • an hour ago
Putin is no saint..but..
the West (US) supports the current president of Ukraine who ousted the former democratically elected president following a coup. This is legal as per the West's definition.
Yet when Crimeans vote to secede from Ukraine and join Russia.. oh hell no.. this is illegal. bring in the sanctions and trade embargo..
pfft.. hypocrisy.
The real reason might be NATO forces just lost a crucial naval advantage over Russia in the Black Sea.
Путин не святой, однако…
Запад (США) поддерживает нынешнего президента Украины, который сверг предыдущего демократически избранного президента в ходе переворота. По определению Запада, это законно.
А когда крымчане голосуют за отделение от Украины и присоединение к России… черт побери, нет, это незаконно, вводите санкции и торговые эмбарго.
Пфф… лицемерие.
Реальная причина может быть в том, что силы НАТО только что лишились критического военного перевеса над Россией в Черном море.
Cameron Taylor • 2 hours ago
If Scotland were to vote in favor of sovereignty, would that be an illegal crime? If Quebec votes to separate from Canada, will that be a crime?
I suspect the only "crime" here is Russia gaining control of an essential oil pipeline running from the Caucuses in to Europe, and a bit more land. If Crimea voted to join Romania or even Turkey would there be all this hullabaloo?
Если бы Шотландия проголосовала на суверенитет, было бы это незаконным преступлением? А если Квебек решил отделиться от Канады?
Подозреваю, что единственным «преступлением» здесь является то, что Россия получает контроль над важным нефтепроводом с Кавказа в Европу и немного территории. Если бы Крым проголосовал за присоеднение к Румынии или даже Турции – была бы вся эта шумиха?
=^..^= • 2 hours ago
You left out the part where the West organized and financed an illegal coup.
Вы упустили ту часть истории, где Запад организовал и профинансировал незаконный переворот
Scott Sinnock • 2 hours ago
The author writes about Putin's speech, "This defiant speech". I would suggest "triumphant" as a better descriptor; he is not defying anything; he is gloating, rightfully so in the geopolitical world. He won while we blather.
Автор пишет про речь Путина: «Дерзкая речь». Я бы предложил лучший термин – «триумфальная». Он никому не дерзит, а по праву торжествует в мире геополитики. Он выиграл, пока мы болтали.
John • an hour ago
What stupid article that defies basic logic and world history. Have you ever said something to Israel for its past decades' crime?
This free voting is better than most other votings, including voting for Fukland !
Что за тупая статья, которая отрицает логику и мировую историю. Вы хоть что-нибудь сказали Израилю за его преступления в последние десятилетия?
Это свободное голосование было лучше, чем большинство других, включая голосование по Фолклендам!
Restraint • an hour ago
Too late now I think.
Sudetenland (sorry I mean Crimea) is lost. We won't fight for it, we probably won't fight for Eastern or Southern Ukraine either. Not Kazakhstan, not Moldavia, not Georgia. Probably not Estonia. Probably Poland though.
Of course every time we blink we make the price of ending this much higher.
Думаю, уже слишком поздно.
Судеты (я имею в виду Крым) потеряны. Мы не станем за них драться, как наверное не станем и за Восточную и Южную Украину. Как и за Казахстан, Молдавию или Грузию. Возможно, как и за Эстонию. Ну, может, за Польшу.
Разумеется, с каждым мгновением цена за прекращение всего этого все выше.
John • an hour ago
There is a covert struggle between Russia and USA. Both seeing an existential threat in each other. Each will do whatever it takes to gain strength and destroy another if possible. International law? Seriously? Do you think about law when your life is in danger?
Существует тайная борьба между Россией и США. Оба видят друг в друге угрозу существованию. Оба сделают что угодно, лишь бы набрать сил и уничтожить оппонента, если возможно. Международное право? Вы серьезно? Вы думаете о законах, когда жизнь в опасности?
Надо заметить, что аудитория "Телеграфа" заметно образованнее "Вашингтон Пост". Попадаются экскурсы в историю аналогичных прецедентов и их последствий. Тоже находятся мнения вида: "Эта стратегия проигрышна в долгосрочной перспективе", но снова - практически нет поддержки генеральной линии Запада и никого не волнует сама Украина (более того, регулярно мелькают упоминания о беспределе неонацистов, которые я сознательно не привожу в подборке).
And the English Telegraph has burst into a wrathful article in which it explicitly calls Putin’s actions a crime and calls on Europe to rally for a categorical rebuff to tyranny. Let's see what their readers write in the comments. The translation is mine again.
Shreekanth M Prabhu • 42 minutes ago
International law is just hogwash. What law was followed to occupy Iraq? See what has happened now. Only international law is "might is right". West started interfering in Ukraine. Nobody has high moral ground here. Everybody is following their own interests. It is going to be like a boxing match. You can not hurt somebody else without getting hurt yourself.
International law is just nonsense. What law guided by occupying Iraq? And now look what happened. The only international law is the right of the strong. The West began to interfere in the affairs of Ukraine, and now it receives an answer. No one here has high moral foundations. All pursuing their own interests. It will be like a boxing match. You can not cause damage to someone without getting it yourself.
Karthick • an hour ago
Putin is no saint..but ..
the West (US) supports the former democratically elected president following a coup. This is legal as per the West’s definition.
Yet when Crimeans vote to secede from Ukraine and join Russia .. oh hell no .. this is illegal. bring in the sanctions and trade embargo ..
pfft .. hypocrisy.
In the Black Sea.
Putin is not a saint, however ...
The West (US) supports the current president of Ukraine, who overthrew the previous democratically elected president during the coup. By definition of the West, it is legal.
And when Crimeans vote for separation from Ukraine and joining Russia ... damn it, no, it is illegal, impose sanctions and trade embargoes.
Pff ... hypocrisy.
The real reason may be that NATO forces have just lost a critical military advantage over Russia in the Black Sea.
Cameron Taylor • 2 hours ago
If Scotland were to vote in favor of sovereignty, would that be an illegal crime? If Quebec votes to separate from Canada, will that be a crime?
I’m suspicious of oil and gas pipelines that are under construction If this is hullabaloo?
If Scotland had voted on sovereignty, would it be an illegal crime? And if Quebec decided to secede from Canada?
I suspect that the only “crime” here is that Russia gains control over an important oil pipeline from the Caucasus to Europe and a little bit of territory. If the Crimea had voted to join Romania or even Turkey, would there have been all the hype?
= ^ .. ^ = • 2 hours ago
You’re left out the part where the West is organized and financed an illegal coup.
You missed that part of the story where the West organized and financed an illegal coup
Scott Sinnock • 2 hours ago
This author writes about Putin's speech, "This defiant speech". I would suggest "triumphant" as a better descriptor; he is not defying anything; he is gloating, rightfully so in the geopolitical world. He won while we blather.
The author writes about Putin’s speech: “Bold speech”. I would suggest the best term - “triumphal”. He does not dare anyone, but by right triumphs in the world of geopolitics. He won while we chatted.
John • an hour ago
What is stupid article that defies the basic logic and world history. Have you ever said that?
This vote is better than most other votings, including voting for Fukland!
What a stupid article that denies logic and world history. Have you ever said anything to Israel for its crimes in recent decades?
This free vote was better than most others, including the Falkland vote!
Restraint • an hour ago
Too late now I think.
Sudetenland (sorry I mean Crimea) is lost. Eastern Ukraine Southern Ukraine. Not Kazakhstan, not Moldavia, not Georgia. Probably not Estonia. Probably Poland though.
Of course, every time we’ve blinked.
I think it's too late.
Sudetes (I mean Crimea) are lost. We will not fight for them, as we probably will not be for Eastern and Southern Ukraine. As for Kazakhstan, Moldova or Georgia. Perhaps, as for Estonia. Well, maybe for Poland.
Of course, with every moment the price for stopping all this is getting higher.
John • an hour ago
There is a covert struggle between Russia and USA. Both seeing an existential threat in each other. It will be possible to take each one. International law? Seriously? Do you think about it?
There is a secret struggle between Russia and the United States. Both see each other as a threat to existence. Both will do anything, just to
Shreekanth M Prabhu • 42 minutes ago
International law is just hogwash. What law was followed to occupy Iraq? See what has happened now. Only international law is "might is right". West started interfering in Ukraine. Nobody has high moral ground here. Everybody is following their own interests. It is going to be like a boxing match. You can not hurt somebody else without getting hurt yourself.
International law is just nonsense. What law guided by occupying Iraq? And now look what happened. The only international law is the right of the strong. The West began to interfere in the affairs of Ukraine, and now it receives an answer. No one here has high moral foundations. All pursuing their own interests. It will be like a boxing match. You can not cause damage to someone without getting it yourself.
Karthick • an hour ago
Putin is no saint..but ..
the West (US) supports the former democratically elected president following a coup. This is legal as per the West’s definition.
Yet when Crimeans vote to secede from Ukraine and join Russia .. oh hell no .. this is illegal. bring in the sanctions and trade embargo ..
pfft .. hypocrisy.
In the Black Sea.
Putin is not a saint, however ...
The West (US) supports the current president of Ukraine, who overthrew the previous democratically elected president during the coup. By definition of the West, it is legal.
And when Crimeans vote for separation from Ukraine and joining Russia ... damn it, no, it is illegal, impose sanctions and trade embargoes.
Pff ... hypocrisy.
The real reason may be that NATO forces have just lost a critical military advantage over Russia in the Black Sea.
Cameron Taylor • 2 hours ago
If Scotland were to vote in favor of sovereignty, would that be an illegal crime? If Quebec votes to separate from Canada, will that be a crime?
I’m suspicious of oil and gas pipelines that are under construction If this is hullabaloo?
If Scotland had voted on sovereignty, would it be an illegal crime? And if Quebec decided to secede from Canada?
I suspect that the only “crime” here is that Russia gains control over an important oil pipeline from the Caucasus to Europe and a little bit of territory. If the Crimea had voted to join Romania or even Turkey, would there have been all the hype?
= ^ .. ^ = • 2 hours ago
You’re left out the part where the West is organized and financed an illegal coup.
You missed that part of the story where the West organized and financed an illegal coup
Scott Sinnock • 2 hours ago
This author writes about Putin's speech, "This defiant speech". I would suggest "triumphant" as a better descriptor; he is not defying anything; he is gloating, rightfully so in the geopolitical world. He won while we blather.
The author writes about Putin’s speech: “Bold speech”. I would suggest the best term - “triumphal”. He does not dare anyone, but by right triumphs in the world of geopolitics. He won while we chatted.
John • an hour ago
What is stupid article that defies the basic logic and world history. Have you ever said that?
This vote is better than most other votings, including voting for Fukland!
What a stupid article that denies logic and world history. Have you ever said anything to Israel for its crimes in recent decades?
This free vote was better than most others, including the Falkland vote!
Restraint • an hour ago
Too late now I think.
Sudetenland (sorry I mean Crimea) is lost. Eastern Ukraine Southern Ukraine. Not Kazakhstan, not Moldavia, not Georgia. Probably not Estonia. Probably Poland though.
Of course, every time we’ve blinked.
I think it's too late.
Sudetes (I mean Crimea) are lost. We will not fight for them, as we probably will not be for Eastern and Southern Ukraine. As for Kazakhstan, Moldova or Georgia. Perhaps, as for Estonia. Well, maybe for Poland.
Of course, with every moment the price for stopping all this is getting higher.
John • an hour ago
There is a covert struggle between Russia and USA. Both seeing an existential threat in each other. It will be possible to take each one. International law? Seriously? Do you think about it?
There is a secret struggle between Russia and the United States. Both see each other as a threat to existence. Both will do anything, just to
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