(Институт Рона Пола и Лю Роквел чтобы досадить своему правительству как-то глупо обеляют Путина, я написал опровержение опровержения по поводу сбитого самолёта привожу сюда, извините, текст на английском) http://ypolozov.livejournal.com/252604.html Ten lies by Ron Paul Institute on the Boeing MH17
Original article: “What the Media Won’t Report About Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17”
“written by ron paul sunday july 20, 2014”
0> They will not report that the crisis in Ukraine started late last year, when EU and US-supported protesters plotted the overthrow of the elected Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych. …US-sponsored “regime change” …
Ron Paul won’t report about people self-organizing in Ukraine to stop oppressive laws, he won’t report libertarian changes happening in that country after the revolution. He only cares about pretending that everything is controlled by DC and everything is DC’s fault.
1> The media has reported that the plane must have been shot down by Russian forces or Russian-backed separatists, because the missile that reportedly brought down the plane was Russian made.
No, nobody is discussing who made the missile. That’s not true! Yes, there were discussion of who owned it before and who were controlling it, but not who made it.
2> But they will not report that the Ukrainian government also uses the exact same Russian-made weapons.
No, it’s not a secret and was reported by many.
3> They will not report that the post-coup government in Kiev has, according to OSCE monitors, killed 250 people in the breakaway Lugansk region since June,
It is being reported. But if you’re going to lie and call what happened on Maydan a “coup” stop watching RT and read the coup definition, imho.
4> including 20 killed as government forces bombed the city center the day after the plane crash!
City centers were bombed by pro-Russian troops as well. They also were using “Grad” rockets.
5> By contrast, Russia has killed no one in Ukraine
It’s false. Putin first secretly send a lot of troops to occupy Ukrainian Crimea, then a lot of them moved to occupy next Ukrainian regions. They are responsible to a lot of death. You call them separatists as if they are Ukrainians but they came from Russia including Igor Girkin (aka Strelkov) or another prominent “separatist” leader far-right nationalist Alexander Borodai* and many others who have nothing to do with those regions and came from Russia, who are Russian citizens and in this war do obey Putin’s military orders.
6> They will not report that the US has strongly backed the Ukrainian government in these attacks on civilians, which a State Department spokeswoman called “measured and moderate.”
I could hardly imagine more moderate approach when Ukrainians were retreating almost without resistance when Putin’s people were seizing Crimea and other parts of Ukraine, when Putin’s people were often first sending women before them? When they hide and fire from civilian buildings. Etc. War is bad but if anything government should try and protect citizens from invasion.
7> They will not report that neither Russia nor the separatists in eastern Ukraine have anything to gain but everything to lose by shooting down a passenger liner full of civilians.
First, they do report it. Most think it was shot by mistake. Second, this argument “nothing to gain” is false. What Russia have to gain from people steeling dead passengers’ credit cards and using them? What Russia has to gain from ordering “separatists” to hide flight information recorders? What Putin has to gain by moving debris of plane directly after? What does he gain from shouting in the air to scare off international investigators? And so on. This did happened even it is bad for Putin’s reputation.
8> They will not report that the missile that apparently shot down the plane was from a sophisticated surface-to-air missile system that requires a good deal of training that the separatists do not have.
Exactly! It were not separatist, it were Russian soldiers, Russian complexes and probably Russian intelligence information that helped to down Ukrainian plane previous days (several were downed) and MH17 as well.
9> They will not report that the separatists in eastern Ukraine have inflicted considerable losses on the Ukrainian government in the week before the plane was downed.
Both sides get losses. What do you even mean? City Slavyansk got finally under Ukrainian control, Luhansk were nearly surrounded by Ukrainians, many border roads that were supporting terrorists from Russia were blocked. If anything it were Putin side which started to loose.
PS. I do respect Ron Paul on more than 90% of issues and I hope one day he will realize how Jason Sorens put it:
“It should be possible to be antiwar without being pro-dictator.”
* Photo: Russian citizen Alexander Borodai is the leader of gunmen on the passenger plane crash site… He didn’t live in the region, he was sent to conquer it.
Original article: “What the Media Won’t Report About Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17”
“written by ron paul sunday july 20, 2014”
0> They will not report that the crisis in Ukraine started late last year, when EU and US-supported protesters plotted the overthrow of the elected Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych. …US-sponsored “regime change” …
Ron Paul won’t report about people self-organizing in Ukraine to stop oppressive laws, he won’t report libertarian changes happening in that country after the revolution. He only cares about pretending that everything is controlled by DC and everything is DC’s fault.
1> The media has reported that the plane must have been shot down by Russian forces or Russian-backed separatists, because the missile that reportedly brought down the plane was Russian made.
No, nobody is discussing who made the missile. That’s not true! Yes, there were discussion of who owned it before and who were controlling it, but not who made it.
2> But they will not report that the Ukrainian government also uses the exact same Russian-made weapons.
No, it’s not a secret and was reported by many.
3> They will not report that the post-coup government in Kiev has, according to OSCE monitors, killed 250 people in the breakaway Lugansk region since June,
It is being reported. But if you’re going to lie and call what happened on Maydan a “coup” stop watching RT and read the coup definition, imho.
4> including 20 killed as government forces bombed the city center the day after the plane crash!
City centers were bombed by pro-Russian troops as well. They also were using “Grad” rockets.
5> By contrast, Russia has killed no one in Ukraine
It’s false. Putin first secretly send a lot of troops to occupy Ukrainian Crimea, then a lot of them moved to occupy next Ukrainian regions. They are responsible to a lot of death. You call them separatists as if they are Ukrainians but they came from Russia including Igor Girkin (aka Strelkov) or another prominent “separatist” leader far-right nationalist Alexander Borodai* and many others who have nothing to do with those regions and came from Russia, who are Russian citizens and in this war do obey Putin’s military orders.
6> They will not report that the US has strongly backed the Ukrainian government in these attacks on civilians, which a State Department spokeswoman called “measured and moderate.”
I could hardly imagine more moderate approach when Ukrainians were retreating almost without resistance when Putin’s people were seizing Crimea and other parts of Ukraine, when Putin’s people were often first sending women before them? When they hide and fire from civilian buildings. Etc. War is bad but if anything government should try and protect citizens from invasion.
7> They will not report that neither Russia nor the separatists in eastern Ukraine have anything to gain but everything to lose by shooting down a passenger liner full of civilians.
First, they do report it. Most think it was shot by mistake. Second, this argument “nothing to gain” is false. What Russia have to gain from people steeling dead passengers’ credit cards and using them? What Russia has to gain from ordering “separatists” to hide flight information recorders? What Putin has to gain by moving debris of plane directly after? What does he gain from shouting in the air to scare off international investigators? And so on. This did happened even it is bad for Putin’s reputation.
8> They will not report that the missile that apparently shot down the plane was from a sophisticated surface-to-air missile system that requires a good deal of training that the separatists do not have.
Exactly! It were not separatist, it were Russian soldiers, Russian complexes and probably Russian intelligence information that helped to down Ukrainian plane previous days (several were downed) and MH17 as well.
9> They will not report that the separatists in eastern Ukraine have inflicted considerable losses on the Ukrainian government in the week before the plane was downed.
Both sides get losses. What do you even mean? City Slavyansk got finally under Ukrainian control, Luhansk were nearly surrounded by Ukrainians, many border roads that were supporting terrorists from Russia were blocked. If anything it were Putin side which started to loose.
PS. I do respect Ron Paul on more than 90% of issues and I hope one day he will realize how Jason Sorens put it:
“It should be possible to be antiwar without being pro-dictator.”
* Photo: Russian citizen Alexander Borodai is the leader of gunmen on the passenger plane crash site… He didn’t live in the region, he was sent to conquer it.
(Институт Рона Пола и Лю Роквел чтобы досадить своему правительству как-то глупо обеляют Путина, я написал опровержение опровержения по поводу сбитого самолёта привожу сюда, извините, текст на английском) http://ypolozov.livejournal.com/252604.html Ten lies by Ron Paul Institute on the Boeing MH17
Original article: “What the Media Won’t Report About Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17”
“written by ron paul sunday july 20, 2014”
0> They will not report that the crisis in Ukraine started late last year, when EU and US-supported protesters plotted the overthrow of the elected Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych. …US-sponsored “regime change” …
Ron Paul won’t report about people self-organizing in Ukraine to stop oppressive laws, he won’t report libertarian changes happening in that country after the revolution. He only cares about pretending that everything is controlled by DC and everything is DC’s fault.
1> The media has reported that the plane must have been shot down by Russian forces or Russian-backed separatists, because the missile that reportedly brought down the plane was Russian made.
No, nobody is discussing who made the missile. That’s not true! Yes, there were discussion of who owned it before and who were controlling it, but not who made it.
2> But they will not report that the Ukrainian government also uses the exact same Russian-made weapons.
No, it’s not a secret and was reported by many.
3> They will not report that the post-coup government in Kiev has, according to OSCE monitors, killed 250 people in the breakaway Lugansk region since June,
It is being reported. But if you’re going to lie and call what happened on Maydan a “coup” stop watching RT and read the coup definition, imho.
4> including 20 killed as government forces bombed the city center the day after the plane crash!
City centers were bombed by pro-Russian troops as well. They also were using “Grad” rockets.
5> By contrast, Russia has killed no one in Ukraine
It’s false. Putin first secretly send a lot of troops to occupy Ukrainian Crimea, then a lot of them moved to occupy next Ukrainian regions. They are responsible to a lot of death. You call them separatists as if they are Ukrainians but they came from Russia including Igor Girkin (aka Strelkov) or another prominent “separatist” leader far-right nationalist Alexander Borodai* and many others who have nothing to do with those regions and came from Russia, who are Russian citizens and in this war do obey Putin’s military orders.
6> They will not report that the US has strongly backed the Ukrainian government in these attacks on civilians, which a State Department spokeswoman called “measured and moderate.”
I could hardly imagine more moderate approach when Ukrainians were retreating almost without resistance when Putin’s people were seizing Crimea and other parts of Ukraine, when Putin’s people were often first sending women before them? When they hide and fire from civilian buildings. Etc. War is bad but if anything government should try and protect citizens from invasion.
7> They will not report that neither Russia nor the separatists in eastern Ukraine have anything to gain but everything to lose by shooting down a passenger liner full of civilians.
First, they do report it. Most think it was shot by mistake. Second, this argument “nothing to gain” is false. What Russia have to gain from people steeling dead passengers’ credit cards and using them? What Russia has to gain from ordering “separatists” to hide flight information recorders? What Putin has to gain by moving debris of plane directly after? What does he gain from shouting in the air to scare off international investigators? And so on. This did happened even it is bad for Putin’s reputation.
8> They will not report that the missile that apparently shot down the plane was from a sophisticated surface-to-air missile system that requires a good deal of training that the separatists do not have.
Exactly! It were not separatist, it were Russian soldiers, Russian complexes and probably Russian intelligence information that helped to down Ukrainian plane previous days (several were downed) and MH17 as well.
9> They will not report that the separatists in eastern Ukraine have inflicted considerable losses on the Ukrainian government in the week before the plane was downed.
Both sides get losses. What do you even mean? City Slavyansk got finally under Ukrainian control, Luhansk were nearly surrounded by Ukrainians, many border roads that were supporting terrorists from Russia were blocked. If anything it were Putin side which started to loose.
PS. I do respect Ron Paul on more than 90% of issues and I hope one day he will realize how Jason Sorens put it:
“It should be possible to be antiwar without being pro-dictator.”
* Photo: Russian citizen Alexander Borodai is the leader of gunmen on the passenger plane crash site… He didn’t live in the region, he was sent to conquer it.
Original article: “What the Media Won’t Report About Malaysian Airlines Flight MH17”
“written by ron paul sunday july 20, 2014”
0> They will not report that the crisis in Ukraine started late last year, when EU and US-supported protesters plotted the overthrow of the elected Ukrainian president, Viktor Yanukovych. …US-sponsored “regime change” …
Ron Paul won’t report about people self-organizing in Ukraine to stop oppressive laws, he won’t report libertarian changes happening in that country after the revolution. He only cares about pretending that everything is controlled by DC and everything is DC’s fault.
1> The media has reported that the plane must have been shot down by Russian forces or Russian-backed separatists, because the missile that reportedly brought down the plane was Russian made.
No, nobody is discussing who made the missile. That’s not true! Yes, there were discussion of who owned it before and who were controlling it, but not who made it.
2> But they will not report that the Ukrainian government also uses the exact same Russian-made weapons.
No, it’s not a secret and was reported by many.
3> They will not report that the post-coup government in Kiev has, according to OSCE monitors, killed 250 people in the breakaway Lugansk region since June,
It is being reported. But if you’re going to lie and call what happened on Maydan a “coup” stop watching RT and read the coup definition, imho.
4> including 20 killed as government forces bombed the city center the day after the plane crash!
City centers were bombed by pro-Russian troops as well. They also were using “Grad” rockets.
5> By contrast, Russia has killed no one in Ukraine
It’s false. Putin first secretly send a lot of troops to occupy Ukrainian Crimea, then a lot of them moved to occupy next Ukrainian regions. They are responsible to a lot of death. You call them separatists as if they are Ukrainians but they came from Russia including Igor Girkin (aka Strelkov) or another prominent “separatist” leader far-right nationalist Alexander Borodai* and many others who have nothing to do with those regions and came from Russia, who are Russian citizens and in this war do obey Putin’s military orders.
6> They will not report that the US has strongly backed the Ukrainian government in these attacks on civilians, which a State Department spokeswoman called “measured and moderate.”
I could hardly imagine more moderate approach when Ukrainians were retreating almost without resistance when Putin’s people were seizing Crimea and other parts of Ukraine, when Putin’s people were often first sending women before them? When they hide and fire from civilian buildings. Etc. War is bad but if anything government should try and protect citizens from invasion.
7> They will not report that neither Russia nor the separatists in eastern Ukraine have anything to gain but everything to lose by shooting down a passenger liner full of civilians.
First, they do report it. Most think it was shot by mistake. Second, this argument “nothing to gain” is false. What Russia have to gain from people steeling dead passengers’ credit cards and using them? What Russia has to gain from ordering “separatists” to hide flight information recorders? What Putin has to gain by moving debris of plane directly after? What does he gain from shouting in the air to scare off international investigators? And so on. This did happened even it is bad for Putin’s reputation.
8> They will not report that the missile that apparently shot down the plane was from a sophisticated surface-to-air missile system that requires a good deal of training that the separatists do not have.
Exactly! It were not separatist, it were Russian soldiers, Russian complexes and probably Russian intelligence information that helped to down Ukrainian plane previous days (several were downed) and MH17 as well.
9> They will not report that the separatists in eastern Ukraine have inflicted considerable losses on the Ukrainian government in the week before the plane was downed.
Both sides get losses. What do you even mean? City Slavyansk got finally under Ukrainian control, Luhansk were nearly surrounded by Ukrainians, many border roads that were supporting terrorists from Russia were blocked. If anything it were Putin side which started to loose.
PS. I do respect Ron Paul on more than 90% of issues and I hope one day he will realize how Jason Sorens put it:
“It should be possible to be antiwar without being pro-dictator.”
* Photo: Russian citizen Alexander Borodai is the leader of gunmen on the passenger plane crash site… He didn’t live in the region, he was sent to conquer it.
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